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Started by ceylon, August 02, 2010, 08:15:28 PM

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ceylon

here is what happened 2 weeks ago in a court.

[17:19:50] colinwilson1: I know I followed it avidly
[17:20:03] freeman on the land: didnt stop them giving me 21days in a well known Manchester hotel
[17:20:24] freeman on the land: which was fine by me I had a captive audience to preach to
[17:20:35] colinwilson1: Yes jurisdiction must be avoided too
[17:20:57] Thinking Free: sickening
[17:21:00] colinwilson1: Two guys up heres just killed 7 year jail tem
[17:21:08] Thinking Free: wow
[17:21:09] colinwilson1: Growing hash
[17:21:19] Thinking Free: kerching
[17:21:46] colinwilson1: They battled for 18 months been indited 3 times , spent too nights in jail
[17:22:23] colinwilson1: case now cancelled, could be re indited but fiscal would look silly 4th time
[17:22:40] colinwilson1: All on the name
[17:22:49] Thinking Free: indeed, even sillier than it does now
[17:22:51] freeman on the land: and not a word on the news about that case ill wager
[17:23:02] Thinking Free: I bet
[17:23:04] Pete: Billy was it Colin?
[17:23:13] Pete: and nice to meetchya
[17:23:47] colinwilson1: no chance, these guys mailed the police that they were going to grow 50 plants and sell them as no Law could prevent them
[17:23:48] mark FMOTL: when was the case
[17:24:02] colinwilson1: frortnight ago
[17:24:02] mark FMOTL: wow
[17:24:08] freeman on the land: wicked
[17:24:12] freeman on the land: love it
[17:24:12] Thinking Free: excellent
[17:24:29] Pete: sweetnes
[17:24:30] colinwilson1: I don't smoke but supported their right to grow planmts
[17:24:37] Pete: yeh, moi too
[17:24:46] Thinking Free: I di and me too
[17:24:56] Thinking Free: brb
[17:24:58] freeman on the land: should start a new trend
[17:25:06] freeman on the land: grow weed for charity
[17:25:10] Pete: yeh
[17:25:13] Pete: Fuck yeh
[17:25:13] colinwilson1: paperwork cost 2 k for notery Conditional acceptance
[17:25:22] Pete: no way
[17:25:38] Pete: in England u can use the courts I'm sure, to attest to affi's
[17:25:43] Pete: for free
[17:25:48] Pete: county court
[17:26:15] Colin Wilson: no they needed notery public judgement of non response
[17:26:20] freeman on the land: sureley 3 independant witnesses would be just as good
[17:26:46] Colin Wilson: notery can give judgement thats what cost 2k
[17:27:10] Pete: reimbursed by private sales in the long run
[17:27:13] Pete: fair doos
[17:27:15] Colin Wilson: Notery get a slap from the law society
[17:27:33] Pete: and a bin bag full of the tops
[17:27:53] Colin Wilson: It awasn't for the hash it was for the principle, they are national heros up here
[17:28:12] Pete: the principal is correct
[17:28:15] Irvine.jp.Ferris: Hi Pete
[17:28:21] Pete: and the law has preveiled
[17:28:30] Pete: and not veiled as it does so often
[17:28:35] Pete: hi Irvine
[17:29:25] Colin Wilson: But it wasn't easy they would not contract and so had to do without food and WATER in the jail, one fo them ended up in hospital on release wityh dehydreation
[17:29:28] Pete: funny how pretty much all Scottish are tolerant of weed and u can get sent to jail for it, the law allows it and still people accept liability
[17:29:42] Pete: wow
[17:29:48] Pete: that's a great stand
[17:29:52] Pete: historical
[17:29:58] Pete: thanks for bringing the news
[17:31:04] Colin Wilson: It all in the name if you say you are any name at all whethjer its the paramount security holder or Micky mouse you have contracted with the court and your ship is sunk
[17:31:54] Colin Wilson: Without a name they cannot proceed
[17:32:49] Colin Wilson: Stopps it in its tracks
[17:33:01] freeman on the land: think i might change my name to allah
[17:33:11] Thinking Free: if they ask you who you are you should sa a friend of the court
[17:33:17] freeman on the land: see how they cope with that
[17:33:30] Colin Wilson: I'm considerin "Forgot"
[17:33:47] Thinking Free: or, case dismissed
[17:33:48] freeman on the land: forgot alot
[17:33:50] Colin Wilson: As in whats your name ? Forgot
[17:33:50] freeman on the land: lol
[17:34:20] Colin Wilson: That legal in court you know, your allowed to forget anything
[17:34:56] freeman on the land: i was given leave by the judge to comit purgery when it came to giving my dob
[17:35:13] Thinking Free: fraud
[17:35:23] freeman on the land: i didnt fall for it
[17:35:25] freeman on the land: lol
[17:35:31] Thinking Free: good
[17:35:31] freeman on the land: just chuckled
[17:35:35] Colin Wilson: You can also use "I cannot legally determin that" and their is nothing they can do except threats of contempt
[17:36:04] freeman on the land: i killed their contempt dead in the water
[17:36:11] freeman on the land: lol
[17:36:35] Colin Wilson: Yeh you were to young to remember, dose the judge remember being born?
[17:36:59] irvine.jp.ferris: Hi ceylanx
[17:36:59] Colin Wilson: civil or criminal?
[17:37:16] freeman on the land: criminal and the injured party was the court
[17:37:22] freeman on the land: a legal fiction
[17:37:43] Ian Walton: if you have ever listened to a chap from Dublin who goes by the name Mr T, he has been on TNS radio there are 3 phrases you can use,

I forget
I do not recall
I do not remember

You are allowed to make an honest mistake
[17:37:58] Thinking Free: did they take there BC into court?
[17:38:07] Thinking Free: to prove it is not him
[17:38:41] freeman on the land: i look forward to the day when the courts full of us lot
[17:38:43] Ian Walton: if they try to do you for civil contempt you can fire back,

I recall signing no such contract
[17:38:50] Thinking Free: thats what i said when he asked if i signed the mort agreement
[17:38:58] Colin Wilson: Don't use i Do not remember, judge can call for medical for fitness to testify
[17:39:09] Ian Walton: that way you not saying you have a dodgy memory by not recalling
[17:39:55] irvine.jp.ferris: I had a debt written of by Vodafone of €645.00. My first victory.
[17:40:09] Thinking Free: how?
[17:40:21] Colin Wilson: Nice one
[17:40:28] freeman on the land: what are u supposed to pay with?
[17:40:36] freeman on the land: u cant pay a debt with a debt
[17:40:40] Thinking Free: monopoly money
[17:40:44] freeman on the land: lol
[17:40:51] freeman on the land: might try that
[17:40:53] Thinking Free: fair game
[17:40:59] freeman on the land: got a monopolly set somewhere
[17:41:10] Thinking Free: its worth a lot
[17:41:18] Thinking Free: all that paper money
[17:41:19] freeman on the land: it is to me
[17:41:23] freeman on the land: lol
[17:41:45] irvine.jp.ferris: The debt was written of using the letters for Credid Cards
[17:41:57] Colin Wilson: I Use the money clause on conmditional acceptances
[17:42:06] irvine.jp.ferris: credit
[17:42:56] Thinking Free: does it say, i promise to pay the bearer?
[17:43:08] Thinking Free: cool
[17:43:10] freeman on the land: make sure u have a vindaloo the night before court and ask if u can pay by fart ..
[17:43:22] Thinking Free: (rofl)
[17:44:18] Thinking Free: my mate took her 2yr son with her to see a solicitor, he pooed and it fell out of his pants on the floor
[17:44:56] freeman on the land: solicitor = legal prostitute
[17:47:00] Thinking Free: he was disgusted and sprayed air freshener
[17:47:02] Thinking Free: lol
[17:47:09] Thinking Free: sooooooooooooooooo funny
[17:47:43] Colin Wilson: What the difference between a lawyer and a bucket of shite
[17:47:52] Thinking Free: ?
[17:47:58] Colin Wilson: The bucket
[17:48:05] Thinking Free: lol
[17:48:09] Thinking Free: true
[17:48:16] dave.hayes9: lol
[17:48:38] Thinking Free: what ban?
[17:49:51] Colin Wilson: ok folks going to have to turn off my pc fitting a new graphics card but should be back later my mail addy is walter@freemanscotland.co.uk
[17:50:46] Thinking Free: Cool, thanks for your help, you've been great :D
[17:52:56] Colin Wilson: Hopefully catch up before your case but if not just remeber if your going oath its no name, then bang him on his oath but you can not deal with anything to do with the case, if you do you give him subject matter jurisdiction again. Olny if he asks tell him to dismiss the case
[17:53:50] Thinking Free: ok, thanks, i will let you know what happens
[17:54:01] Colin Wilson: Cheers folks
[17:54:09] Thinking Free: c u l8r
[17:55:21] Thinking Free: i'm off to get fed, c u all l8r

ceylon

I am now of the opinion we have been doing it wrong, when in court if you give ANY name you are contracting. listen to this http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/audioPop.jsp?episodeId=381954&cmd=apop

ceylon


M O'D

Ah, the interminable name game...

Salient points which may be of help in clarifying this matter:

1. You are who you say you are.
2. In court, you may tell them you are there as the authorised representative, 'as' the name, or you may say "I go by that name... but it isn't me."
3. A name is a word - spiritually, logically, grammatically etc you can not be a word
4. Think about it: To admit to being a legal fiction is to lie. To lie amounts to perjury - if anyone is putting pressure on you to be the name in court, then they are asking you to commit perjury and you should point it out to them.
5. There is no law that requires anyone to have a surname.
6. KNOW WHO YOU ARE - YOU CAN NEVER BE THE NAME... for the simple reason that you are not the thoughts, nor the mind, nor the body, nor the emotions. You are a divine fragment, a drop in the ocean of consciousness...
7. And, following on from this, ask yourself, 'where do i live?'  Is it not in the body? Are you not a spiritual being within the form of a human body?

THE TRUTH IS ALL WE NEED AND ALL WE WILL EVER NEED.


Michael of Elmet? is that you? Oshun? No. It's just a title I go by. One of many. Who am I?

I am that I am


love all, unconditionally...

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ceylon

i agree but most don't get it.
this gives them a chance to get it.

Jonah

Quote from: Oshun on August 10, 2010, 12:23:01 PM
Ah, the interminable name game...

Salient points which may be of help in clarifying this matter:

1. You are who you say you are.
2. In court, you may tell them you are there as the authorised representative, 'as' the name, or you may say "I go by that name... but it isn't me."

I am that I am


Hey all
Good forum. This my first post.

I have a problem with the use of the term "authorised representative"
Now, if the legal fiction, name, Is not our property but we claim to be the agent, or authorised rep, of that name who authorised us to use it? And if we say we authorised ourselves are we not claiming ownership?

I just wondered if there is a better way to express our status. The name is a title giving to us but we are not the owner and we have never claimed ownership, but we have previously used it. Is there a shortened way to express this standing, in words.

enegiss

Hi guys, would you become the administrator for the legal fiction entity STRAWMAN  in commerce? therefore, not needing a name other than i am that i am,  just flow thinking, peace and light

M O'D

As always, there are several remedies to this. Whilst I'd agree that the Crown owns the name (witness the birth certificate, and the crown copyright therein), who else can can claim to be the representative?

You have the right to "security of the person" and a learned friend of mine suggests that we can use our PERSON(AE) as "a battering ram" in all legal matters. You are not and never can be the legal fiction (it's a Crown creation)...

Another option may be to declare,

QuoteSir, I am here as a Trustee of a private trust of which STRAWMAN and the public are beneficiaries. Does anyone have any objection to me appearing as such?

Namaste

Elmetian Sovereign ???
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